Please STOP all Giveaways & Payaways

TheTimManTheTimMan In Athena Shy's armsMember
What does it take to teach the players who don't see that when a player asks for 2k to open & they have 20k to 40k worth of rares in a prize machine that he is a SCAMMER. Are people that naive?
I just went to a "Giveaway", when I got there the owner added a piggy and said "pay now' and added a sign saying ;'2k to open'. There were people defending the owner. This is really getting to me. Not only little to no penalties for scams, but a lack of intelligence in most of the players that this will only leave a hole where their cubits used to be and a bitterness towards Cubic Castles for not stopping the scam.

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  • 719matmat719matmat Traveling through time and space (tping to friends)Member
    uhh, some people just dont have common sense and they think if they defend the owner they will get a prize. the truth.
  • NolanaNolana USAGame Moderator
    It's up to the players of the game to play these or not. The best thing we can do is educate players on stopping and taking a good look at the situations they're in. Simply banning the children that make these sort of payaways isn't the best option either. They see payaways, they think it's a good way to make fast cubits, though it isn't. I'd be banning a LOT of people if I just banned all of them... and to be honest, there are some players that have legitimate payaways.

    Even if I could ban the players that make them, it won't stop them from happening. It might deter some, but ultimately it's not something that can fully be stopped. If someone is going to scam they'll likely try to find another way around it. That's what these "events" are currently. Young children, as you said, are the majority of this game. Sadly, yes they are naive. Many will learn after awhile that payaways aren't fair game and will stop paying in them. The best way to avoid the heartbreak that comes with learning this the hard way is to teach them better.

    There is a new tutorial coming up in the future (it's not a spoiler, Kewberth already told everyone). In it are some of the ways people commonly scam. Hopefully this will help teach new players how to avoid it. In the meantime, all that can be done is to make sure the current players know better.

    It doesn't have to be a Moderator to do this. Everyone can help in this endeavor, maybe make a realm to teach new player? Host events? You can even use hollas to occasionally remind players that payaways are not always fair, and that it's better to simply not play them if it's not worth the risk.

    But posting it here on the forum, the one place that most new players can't see doesn't help them. YouTube helps only if they're specifically searching for it. Otherwise their "Cubic Castles" search is just going to be nothing but unrelated topics...

    If you really want to help, find a better place for it than here on the forum, please.
  • Mcwolf the SaneMcwolf the Sane BangladeshMember
    edited March 2016
    I agree with stopping payaways and giveaways using the method being used, i.e. the prize dispenser method.

    If someone wants to give something away, they can simply go to a place where new/newish players can be found, like the Learning or Town Centres, mines, lobbies etc. and manually give away stuff there. Or they could simply go to the sky map and enter random realms having qbees in them and give away there. Near the beginning of my qbee life, a random player came to my realm and dropped a brave hat. I asked him why he's giving me that, and he said he's doing a hat giveaway.

    Or if someone wishes to do "payaways", they could simply do what I have mentioned above, but instead of giving away entirely, they could sell it for like one-tenth of the market price.

    Honestly majority of the prize dispenser payaways are scams. And stopping them would make CC more user-friendly to the new young players.

    On a different note, I don't even understand why an experienced player would do a payaway. You wanna donate, just donate. Wanna sell? Do so. Why stick in the grey area and do what smells like a scam, and is a method used by scammers. Tbh legit payaways would make new qbees believe all payaways are good, and they'll just trust scammers and pay them. So as a responsible player you shouldn't even do a payaway.
  • Athena ShyAthena Shy In TheTimMan's arms! Member
    Mcwolf24 said:

    I agree with stopping payaways and giveaways using the method being used, i.e. the prize dispenser method.

    If someone wants to give something away, they can simply go to a place where new/newish players can be found, like the Learning or Town Centres, mines, lobbies etc. and manually give away stuff there. Or they could simply go to the sky map and enter random realms having qbees in them and give away there. Near the beginning of my qbee life, a random player came to my realm and dropped a brave hat. I asked him why he's giving me that, and he said he's doing a hat giveaway.

    Or if someone wishes to do "payaways", they could simply do what I have mentioned above, but instead of giving away entirely, they could sell it for like one-tenth of the market price.

    Honestly majority of the prize dispenser payaways are scams. And stopping them would make CC more user-friendly to the new young players.

    On a different note, I don't even understand why an experienced player would do a payaway. You wanna donate, just donate. Wanna sell? Do so. Why stick in the grey area and do what smells like a scam, and is a method used by scammers. Tbh legit payaways would make new qbees believe all payaways are good, and they'll just trust scammers and pay them. So as a responsible player you shouldn't even do a payaway.

    Amen brother!
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  • Athena ShyAthena Shy In TheTimMan's arms! Member

    Some times ago, i organized an event called "The gold ores"
    Each one had to give me the biggest amount of gold ores to get rewards.

    Well, it's a payway right?

    What about this? I'm a bad scammer?

    I would call that more of an event, and not a payaway.

    Also what he is trying to get at, it is the payaway scams.
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  • Swissy DreamerSwissy Dreamer Playing with Asriel,Frisk,And CharaMember

    Some times ago, i organized an event called "The gold ores"
    Each one had to give me the biggest amount of gold ores to get rewards.

    Well, it's a payway right?

    What about this? I'm a bad scammer?

    Isn't it more like a trade?
  • pysinopysino WA Australia Member
    Sorry we can't stop A Payaway, it will never stop sorry, this scam will never end Ever Why? Because.. People just do it. Even if people warn on the forums people do it for c
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  • NolanaNolana USAGame Moderator
    I agree with Dread, someone could have gone into Dread's realm and screamed that is was a payaway. So, where's the line between and event and a scam unless it's finished and you can see what people have won. It's all arbitrary. You can say one is a scam if you feel the prizes aren't good enough, but it's you still technically got a prize. People get upset over official events sometimes, like the spider one, saying all they got was a web. But it's still a prize, though those events are free. In the end it's only a scam if no prizes were given at all... And we'd have to sit there for every single one. We can't do that.

    We can't police payaways without going to every single one and standing there and waiting until the end of it, and to say players can't have them at all isn't totally fair either, since that means cutting out a small portion of games which aren't always hard to define. Any casino game is also, technically, a payaway. We can't shut down every single casino or gambling mini-game in the game since this is a community driven sandbox.

    If people don't trust them, they simply need not play them, which is fine.
  • Swissy DreamerSwissy Dreamer Playing with Asriel,Frisk,And CharaMember



    No swissy:

    All had to give me there gold... and then i had to give back the rewards. What about me if i didnt give?

    Hmm...you got a point there knop
    But cant we just trade the gold for the reward?
  • NolanaNolana USAGame Moderator


    Hmm...you got a point there knop
    But cant we just trade the gold for the reward?

    It was a contest, people had to wait for the end of it to see what prize they got.

    And your "simple harassment" took hours for them to clean up, Lucaaa. Don't start.
  • Mcwolf the SaneMcwolf the Sane BangladeshMember
    The question, Knop, is whether it's better to stop scammers and find a different method for good players to do good (which is there) OR let scammers continue scamming using payaways so that the good players can do good.

    If we take your gold ore event for example, instead of taking the gold, you could have just seen their amount of gold in inventory by asking them to place it in trade instead of completely taking it. And after you got the winners, they would have to show the gold again to you before taking the prize to ensure that people weren't sharing gold to win. During the final check you could keep players distanced from each other so that they couldn't share gold after they got the prize.

    If the good players could be a little more good and do a little extra work, the dreadful scamming in the name of payaways could be stopped. It's all a matter of perspective, I guess, cuz I still don't see the point of allowing payaways for a few good people when they could use an alternative method, while the scammers keep scamming and earning cubits- something some people pay actual money for.
  • >Gleen<>Gleen< FranceMember
    New people should be warned about scammers in the new single player tutorial and multiplayer basics.
    Besides, my thought is that scammers on payaways should be banned for 24 hours and be warned (because there are some kids and some can't understand) and if they do scam again they get permanent ban.
  • Athena ShyAthena Shy In TheTimMan's arms! Member
    I am sure you all had the best interest at heart when you made your post, just as I do, but I have to right to voice my opinion and discuss this.
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    Nolana

    "The best thing we can do is educate players on stopping and taking a good look at the situations they're in."

    - The best thing we can do is outlaw payaways, 99% of the times they are scams no matter what the situation they're in.

    "Simply banning the children that make these sort of payaways isn't the best option either. They see payaways, they think it's a good way to make fast cubits, though it isn't. I'd be banning a LOT of people if I just banned all of them..."

    - No one is saying that anyone should be banned that makes a payaway (yet), however any player that host a payaway scam and takes another players cubits then bans them because they are trying to warn the others that they paid the full amount and its a scam, should be banned for their crimes. On two occasions now, I have given the game irrefutable video evidence of this happening twice, and these players got a slap on the wrist and were simply told not to do it again. If anyone doesn't see something wrong with that, then they have a warped mind set on what is right and wrong. In real life, when you steal from someone you go to jail, and in some countries way worst!

    "and to be honest, there are some players that have legitimate payaways."

    - I am going to have to agree with Mcwolf24 here on his statment; "The question is whether it's better to stop scammers and find a different method for good players to do good (which is there) OR let scammers continue scamming using payaways so that the good players can do good.... I still don't see the point of allowing payaways for a few good people when they could use an alternative method, while the scammers keep scamming and earning cubits- something some people pay actual money for."

    I mean really does a few players legitimate payaways change the fact that 99% of them are scams? We should let the scamming continue because a few players host legitimate ones, No that is absurd.

    "Even if I could ban the players that make them, it won't stop them from happening. It might deter some, but ultimately it's not something that can fully be stopped."

    - One: If players are banned for scamming it won't happen again, and eventually people will start to catch on that if they do this they will NO longer be able to play, making it useless to do it in the first place.
    Two: I agree scamming is something that can not be fully stopped, but if the consequence were more suitable, it would happen a lot less. Right now with the current system they are given a warning (which is pretty much a free card) and then jailed for so many days if they repeat the behavior, which in my honest opinion is freaking silly. If they do it again, they should NEVER be allowed to play again. No one is afraid to scam.

    "But posting it here on the forum, the one place that most new players can't see doesn't help them. YouTube helps only if they're specifically searching for it. Otherwise their "Cubic Castles" search is just going to be nothing but unrelated topics...

    If you really want to help, find a better place for it than here on the forum, please."


    - He didn't just make this post to alert players, he also wanted to give his suggestion to put a stop to it. Obviously he is not alone with this because 80% of the voters so far want payways stopped and I have seen multiple other post saying the same thing.

    Honestly I do make YouTube videos about this, it is not only to raise awareness about it but to expose these scammers, and make others think twice about doing it themselves because I will catch them. Making them does help in it's own way believe it or not.

    I have made videos, done hollas, warned players, reported the scammers. Go to the payway itself and warn players, and then get banned by the host. I do everything in my power I can to stop players from going to them.

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    * Dreadful KnoP *

    "I really think the issue about scammer can't be solved by punishement."

    - Knop I like you very much, you're a good and smart man, but that is a foolish statement. If the punishment was higher, players would be more reluctant to scam, thus driving the level of scammers down.

    Right now, players are not afraid to scam because they know they will just be told not to do it again. In fact they are not even afraid to get caught right now, if you have seen my videos of payaway scams, I make it a point to tell them I am recording them, and they still scam me. They do not care because they know the consequences are minimal.

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    lucaaa795

    "And yes, a more hard punishment to all those who do payaways ( legit or not) should be introduced.
    Just saying, i got perma ban ( 3 days ) and 1 week jailed for some *cough* simple harrassment * cough*"


    - I totally agree.
    I find it absurd someone can be banned and jailed for one crime, but they let these payaway scammers off with a warning. It is a joke.

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    Mcwolf24

    "The question, Knop, is whether it's better to stop scammers and find a different method for good players to do good (which is there) OR let scammers continue scamming using payaways so that the good players can do good.

    If the good players could be a little more good and do a little extra work, the dreadful scamming in the name of payaways could be stopped. It's all a matter of perspective, I guess, cuz I still don't see the point of allowing payaways for a few good people when they could use an alternative method, while the scammers keep scamming and earning cubits- something some people pay actual money for."


    - Thank you! You are exactly right. There is no point to let them continue because a few players don't scam. Majority if not next to all, are scams and I see no reason to allow it.
    I pay for my cubits just like many other players and it is a slap in the face to see these scammers get off with a warning.
  • SidddSiddd UKMember, Game Moderator
    I agree with what both Nolana and Dread have said in this circumstance, the statement that dread made about punishment not stopping players is spot on, it is not a 'foolish statement', being moderators and the ones who hand out specific warnings or bans (punishment) we can see actively how the community responds, there will ALWAYS be ways for players to scam, if we stop this one then another will pop up, if we were to spend all our time on stopping scams we would have no time for anybody else and we would get nowhere, since the varied scams will just keep popping up.

    This is not to say nothing is done and we should just let it keep happening, the admin are always thinking of ways to reduce crimes and educate players on avoiding such scams, with education, naivety isn't a reasonable excuse IMO and as Nolana stated, the new 'tutorial' has said education built in.
  • Lucas The SpiderLucas The Spider U.K, England Member
    I'm all for stopping 'payaways' but Nolana, Sidd, etc... you all have good points. Banning all the scammers isn't going to solve it either :( they'll keep coming, and we cannot put stress on mods/admins for banning them. They have better things to do, why should they have to clean up the mess we make.

    We can stop scammers, with exactly what Nolana said, tell noobs, make realms, holla, etc... Also, Gdog an amazing example doing youtube videos directed at stopping scams. He has over 1000 subs so he'll get the aint-scam out there.
  • lunariscilunarisci 'MuricaMember
    edited March 2016
    Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime

    Instead of wasting effort banning every single person who does a fake payaway, educate/inform the public about the situation

    PSAs can easily reach out to the majority population. If you sacrifice your attention on banning people you're losing your own precious time

    The rate at which you ban fake payaway hosts is lower than the rate people publicize them; adding on to that, like Knop said, there's no fine line between fake and real payaways

    There's always that grey area in which we cannot fully determine whether something is moral or immoral
  • Nolana said:

    You can even use hollas to occasionally remind players that payaways are not always fair, and that it's better to simply not play them if it's not worth the risk.

    I'm just sayin' a lot of things are WAY too expensive in the Cubit Store, so lots of people can't afford hollas.
    Just sayin'.
  • I wanted the old true giveaways back again :/
    I hate these payaways... 80% of them are scam
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